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<blockquote data-quote="CM" data-source="post: 5869196" data-attributes="member: 18340">Since it hasn't been explicitly stated in this thread yet, 4e reversed the old proficiency modifiers, giving you an attack bonus if you were proficient rather than an attack penalty for not being proficient. This was necessary to avoid having base AC start at 12 or 13 rather than 10. I think it was easier the old way however--the assumption should be that you're attacking with a weapon in which you are trained, so the fewer modifiers to remember, the better.There has to be some means of assuring that casters choose &quot;thematically appropriate&quot; weapons. Otherwise what's to stop every wizard from picking greatsword and longbow other than flavor? As an aside, I hope 5e will have an implement system available (even as an option) like 4e. Orbs, wands, rods, staves, daggers, tomes, totems, symbols, etc., were cool. Before 4e, every wizard I ever saw in any game carried a dagger, staff, and/or sling. Now we have a rod guy, an orb guy, a dual-staff guy, and a staff-dagger guy.Finally, if exotic weapons are to return, I would prefer them to be limited to actual unique weapons and not simply a &quot;slightly-larger greatsword&quot; or whatever. Spiked chain? Double axe? Exotic. Katana? It's a longsword. Kukri? It's a dagger. That said, I'm fine with feats or abilities which grant you increased damage or maneuver benefits with weapon groups to signify specialized training.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CM, post: 5869196, member: 18340"] Since it hasn't been explicitly stated in this thread yet, 4e reversed the old proficiency modifiers, giving you an attack bonus if you were proficient rather than an attack penalty for not being proficient. This was necessary to avoid having base AC start at 12 or 13 rather than 10. I think it was easier the old way however--the assumption should be that you're attacking with a weapon in which you are trained, so the fewer modifiers to remember, the better. There has to be some means of assuring that casters choose "thematically appropriate" weapons. Otherwise what's to stop every wizard from picking greatsword and longbow other than flavor? As an aside, I hope 5e will have an implement system available (even as an option) like 4e. Orbs, wands, rods, staves, daggers, tomes, totems, symbols, etc., were cool. Before 4e, every wizard I ever saw in any game carried a dagger, staff, and/or sling. Now we have a rod guy, an orb guy, a dual-staff guy, and a staff-dagger guy. Finally, if exotic weapons are to return, I would prefer them to be limited to actual unique weapons and not simply a "slightly-larger greatsword" or whatever. Spiked chain? Double axe? Exotic. Katana? It's a longsword. Kukri? It's a dagger. That said, I'm fine with feats or abilities which grant you increased damage or maneuver benefits with weapon groups to signify specialized training. [/QUOTE]

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