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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 3849617" data-attributes="member: 177">If all you want is a mixture of the two parent races traits, that works well.  However if the half-race has abilities that are not present in either parent (like the half-elf bonus on Diplomacy and Gather Information), that system fails.Question - do you really think that description of these feats, and the associated powers, actually takes less space than just writing up the race?  I'm looking at the SRD, and it seems that the write-up of the half-elf and half-orc is of comparable length to a feat or two.  So, you aren't saving too much there.How many times need it be said?  EN World does not stand as a representative sample of gamers, in general.  You cannot poll EN World and get a good idea about what the market wants, as a whole.Gamers are preceptive - they can tell the difference between something that is bad in concept, and something that is bad in implementation.  3E half-elves are arguably a waste of time, mechanically speaking.  Those who were turned off for mechanical reasons have mechanics as a priority - they will look at the new mechanics, and make new judgments. The 3e version is not particularly relevant to whether they'll like them in the future.Thus - that the 3e version of them was mechanically weak is not a reason to eliminate them from future versions.  And if you don't like the flavor surrounding the race, well, there is no accounting for taste.</blockquote>

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