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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 5356530" data-attributes="member: 1210"><p>First off, let me just list a few good reasons for a bad guy marked by a fighter to try to move away:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There is another pc dishing major damage to an ally</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The monster is willing to gamble the fighter will miss</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The monster has a goal involving more than the pcs</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The monster is a ranged controller or artillery and needs to open the distance to use its best powers</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There is terrain advantageous to the monster</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The monster is trying to lure the fighter into a trap or tactical disadvantage</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The monster is "programmed" rather than thinking and mindlessly obeys its instructions</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The monster is trying to flee and figures the fighter will slay it if it stays where it is</li> </ul><p></p><p>I'm sure there are plenty of other good reasons for it too!</p><p></p><p>Regarding the frequency per fighter per fight- I've never run 4e with multiple fighters; when we had multiple defenders, they were different classes. That said...</p><p></p><p>As far as how often combat challenge gets triggered, it really depends on the foes. Mindless enemies- oozes, skeletons, etc- and tactically inept creatures- human peasants, etc- are much more prone to triggering CC because they don't know better, act out of fear or have no sense of self-preservation. I'd guess 2 or more times per combat with these types of things. </p><p></p><p>Against intelligent or savvy foes, the question is more complex. If they are out to get the wizard in the back, it's quite possible that they will willingly trigger OAs in trying to get to him. In another fight, they might have an artillery line and several defender-types of their own to block the pcs' approach, and they might thus never trigger an OA at all. But on average, I would guess... about 1 CC trigger per fight on average against these types of enemies?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 5356530, member: 1210"] First off, let me just list a few good reasons for a bad guy marked by a fighter to try to move away: [LIST] [*]There is another pc dishing major damage to an ally [*]The monster is willing to gamble the fighter will miss [*]The monster has a goal involving more than the pcs [*]The monster is a ranged controller or artillery and needs to open the distance to use its best powers [*]There is terrain advantageous to the monster [*]The monster is trying to lure the fighter into a trap or tactical disadvantage [*]The monster is "programmed" rather than thinking and mindlessly obeys its instructions [*]The monster is trying to flee and figures the fighter will slay it if it stays where it is [/LIST] I'm sure there are plenty of other good reasons for it too! Regarding the frequency per fighter per fight- I've never run 4e with multiple fighters; when we had multiple defenders, they were different classes. That said... As far as how often combat challenge gets triggered, it really depends on the foes. Mindless enemies- oozes, skeletons, etc- and tactically inept creatures- human peasants, etc- are much more prone to triggering CC because they don't know better, act out of fear or have no sense of self-preservation. I'd guess 2 or more times per combat with these types of things. Against intelligent or savvy foes, the question is more complex. If they are out to get the wizard in the back, it's quite possible that they will willingly trigger OAs in trying to get to him. In another fight, they might have an artillery line and several defender-types of their own to block the pcs' approach, and they might thus never trigger an OA at all. But on average, I would guess... about 1 CC trigger per fight on average against these types of enemies? [/QUOTE]
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