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Message: <blockquote data-quote="doctorhook" data-source="post: 4908502" data-attributes="member: 58401">Exactly! I also take this as a sign that R&D is thinking along the same line I am.Another weird case is with Shifters, because they're actually two separate races in one, where both share Wisdom, but one gets Strength and the other gets Dexterity. In this case, if the player picks his race (Shifter) before picking his class, he proceeds with my houserule as normal after picking which kind of Shifter he wants to be. However, if the player chooses his class or his ability scores first, then things can be a bit confusing, even though they still work the same way:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">(First of all, a Shifter character has to put a +2 bonus in at least one of Strength, Dexterity, or Wisdom.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If the player picks Strength and any other score except for Dexterity or Wisdom, then the player is a Longtooth Shifter. For example, if the player is a Shifter Swordmage and puts his bonuses into Strength and Intelligence, then he has to be a Longtooth Shifter.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If the player picks Dexterity and any other score except for Strength or Wisdom, then the player is a Razorclaw Shifter. For example, if the player is a Shifter Sorcerer and puts his bonuses into Dexterity and Charisma, then he has to be a Razorclaw Shifter.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If the player picks both Strength and Dexterity, then the player can be either type of Shifter. For example, if the player is a Shifter Fighter and puts his bonuses into Strength and Dexterity, then he can be either a Longtooth or a Razorclaw.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If the player picks Wisdom and any other ability score, then the player can be either kind of Shifter.</li> </ul>Looks complicated, I know, but it's really just the same as usual. This is merely the thought process you'd need to go through if you decided on your class and also chose to be a Shifter, but hadn't already decided on what kind of Shifter to be. You'd have the same problem if decided (for example) to be a Tempest Fighter, but hadn't picked between the umpteen possible races that can give you optimal ability scores for that class using my houserule.The moral of this story is that it's probably simplest to choose your race first and your class second.Whoa...Too radical for me! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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