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<blockquote data-quote="On Puget Sound" data-source="post: 5816563" data-attributes="member: 68988">It's not &quot;roll until you win&quot;.&nbsp; It's &quot;Take your time, focus, make all the preparations you need, and do it as well as you possibly can, because there are no external factors to make it difficult.&nbsp; And if you screw up, learn from your mistake and try it a different way.&quot;&nbsp; You might do this, and still lose, if a 20 is not enough to succeed.&nbsp; Taking 20 assumes persistence, time and lack of risk.&nbsp; It won't work for disarming a bomb or picking a pocket, and should not be used for knowledge rolls (you either know it or you don't; thinking longer or harder won't put it into your brain if it's not there).&nbsp; But if you are, for instance, trying to throw a superb clay pot, and you have all day and don't mind wasting a lot of clay, there is no reason to roll a lot of dice.&nbsp; Just take your Craft (Pottery)+20, and say that's the best pot you know how to make and it took you an (undefined) bunch of tries to make it come out right.There aren't a lot of adventurous Take 20s, because there is usually risk and/ or time pressure in things adventurers try to do; that's why they're called &quot;adventurers.&quot;&nbsp; But the system is there for the few occasions when it comes in handy, and being willing to take time and make noise while searching a room may be one of those times.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="On Puget Sound, post: 5816563, member: 68988"] It's not "roll until you win". It's "Take your time, focus, make all the preparations you need, and do it as well as you possibly can, because there are no external factors to make it difficult. And if you screw up, learn from your mistake and try it a different way." You might do this, and still lose, if a 20 is not enough to succeed. Taking 20 assumes persistence, time and lack of risk. It won't work for disarming a bomb or picking a pocket, and should not be used for knowledge rolls (you either know it or you don't; thinking longer or harder won't put it into your brain if it's not there). But if you are, for instance, trying to throw a superb clay pot, and you have all day and don't mind wasting a lot of clay, there is no reason to roll a lot of dice. Just take your Craft (Pottery)+20, and say that's the best pot you know how to make and it took you an (undefined) bunch of tries to make it come out right. There aren't a lot of adventurous Take 20s, because there is usually risk and/ or time pressure in things adventurers try to do; that's why they're called "adventurers." But the system is there for the few occasions when it comes in handy, and being willing to take time and make noise while searching a room may be one of those times. [/QUOTE]

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