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<blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 7343160" data-attributes="member: 23716">You misunderstand me.&nbsp; I'm not a 4ehater, I enjoyed many of its innovations, especially monster/NPC design.&nbsp; I was merely pointing out that a significant portion of the player base had problems with the at-will, per encounter, and daily paradigm of 4e abilities and they would probably not relish a return of such, even in a more mild form.&nbsp; This, of course, has no baring on your game and your table (unless some these objectors are in your game), but could influence a more generally applicable House Rule here on EnWorld.&nbsp;&nbsp; These very arguments were brought to bear, repeatedly, against the 4e methodology you are proposing in this thread.&nbsp; Why can the martial characters only do this once per encounter? Once per day? etc. etc.&nbsp; It is similar with using hit dice and myriad other mechanics in the game, down to proposals in the thread: using milestones, spending your turn to get a short rest, and others.&nbsp; I guess we all have our tipping points, but at the end of the day this is game and some gamest constructs are necessary for smooth play.&nbsp; &nbsp; I would not be inclined to go this way, all things being equal.&nbsp; While some higher level spells open up new utility and wonders, there are plenty of stinkers.&nbsp; Now if one was significantly modify the game to make it more gritty and low magic, etc., then that would be something to consider, along with many other things.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gadget, post: 7343160, member: 23716"] You misunderstand me. I'm not a 4ehater, I enjoyed many of its innovations, especially monster/NPC design. I was merely pointing out that a significant portion of the player base had problems with the at-will, per encounter, and daily paradigm of 4e abilities and they would probably not relish a return of such, even in a more mild form. This, of course, has no baring on your game and your table (unless some these objectors are in your game), but could influence a more generally applicable House Rule here on EnWorld. These very arguments were brought to bear, repeatedly, against the 4e methodology you are proposing in this thread. Why can the martial characters only do this once per encounter? Once per day? etc. etc. It is similar with using hit dice and myriad other mechanics in the game, down to proposals in the thread: using milestones, spending your turn to get a short rest, and others. I guess we all have our tipping points, but at the end of the day this is game and some gamest constructs are necessary for smooth play. I would not be inclined to go this way, all things being equal. While some higher level spells open up new utility and wonders, there are plenty of stinkers. Now if one was significantly modify the game to make it more gritty and low magic, etc., then that would be something to consider, along with many other things. [/QUOTE]

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