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<blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 9048487" data-attributes="member: 907">Note that Assurance is not the same as 3e's/PF1's &quot;Take 10&quot;. It is much weaker except in certain specific cases (where you'd have big penalties to the check).Assurance gives you an automatic roll of 10+your proficiency bonus. No ability bonus, and no item bonus. That means that in order to autosucceed on typical Treat Wounds DCs, you need to be:DC 15: level 3 with Trained (or 2 with Expert, for Rogues/Investigators/Medics)DC 20: level 6 with Expert.DC 30: level 14 with Master.DC 40: Nope.So basically, Assurance lets you autosucceed on tasks that are one proficiency tier below where you could be at your level (give or take a level). But the bonuses you give up can be pretty significant. At level 6, a character who wants to be good at Medicine probably has Wis +3 and an item bonus of +1, so they succeed on 6+ anyway... and crit on 16+. Assurance still helps at this level, because it gets you an average of 19 hp per rest period while rolling gets you about 16 (with Wis +3 and item +1), but it takes a while to get going, and I'm not sure it's worth the investment except for doing away with all the rolling.Edit: Looking at this, I think that if/when I run PF2 again, I'm going to change Treat Wounds to automatically be successful at the appropriate level for the medic's proficiency (so if you're a Master, you'll automatically restore 2d8+30 hp when treating someone for 10 minutes. I mean, that's just a matter of reducing downtime and boring rolling anyway. Or maybe I'll replace the 2d8 with 10 as well to reduce variance even more.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Staffan, post: 9048487, member: 907"] Note that Assurance is not the same as 3e's/PF1's "Take 10". It is much weaker except in certain specific cases (where you'd have big penalties to the check). Assurance gives you an automatic roll of 10+your proficiency bonus. No ability bonus, and no item bonus. That means that in order to autosucceed on typical Treat Wounds DCs, you need to be: DC 15: level 3 with Trained (or 2 with Expert, for Rogues/Investigators/Medics) DC 20: level 6 with Expert. DC 30: level 14 with Master. DC 40: Nope. So basically, Assurance lets you autosucceed on tasks that are one proficiency tier below where you could be at your level (give or take a level). But the bonuses you give up can be pretty significant. At level 6, a character who wants to be good at Medicine probably has Wis +3 and an item bonus of +1, so they succeed on 6+ anyway... and crit on 16+. Assurance still helps at this level, because it gets you an average of 19 hp per rest period while rolling gets you about 16 (with Wis +3 and item +1), but it takes a while to get going, and I'm not sure it's worth the investment except for doing away with all the rolling. Edit: Looking at this, I think that if/when I run PF2 again, I'm going to change Treat Wounds to automatically be successful at the appropriate level for the medic's proficiency (so if you're a Master, you'll automatically restore 2d8+30 hp when treating someone for 10 minutes. I mean, that's just a matter of reducing downtime and boring rolling anyway. Or maybe I'll replace the 2d8 with 10 as well to reduce variance even more. [/QUOTE]

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