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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7427553" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Really, too many editions blur together after a while but i would have bet body part that in 1e &quot;dawn&quot; or &quot;midnight&quot; or &quot;day&quot; was directly tied to at least cleric recovery, not some indeterminant anytime gm wants to from 5m to six months?Wow. But i gotta say back to the first part, again, if the gm chooses to hinge spell recovery and other long rests on some external six month timeframe that varies from &quot;adventure to adventure&quot; it makes the whole thing seem less like folks in a world making choices than it does characters in a story following a script.How can people (pcs) plan if they dont know basic recovery physics from one &quot;adventure&quot; to another?&quot;An indefinite amount of time&quot; is **to me** a forced inconsistency to a campaign's truthiness. I want it to be that when things dont add up the same as they did last week the characters **and** the players can all go &quot;hmmm... What is wrong?&quot; instead of the players going &quot;must not be adventure over fiat yet. We haven't accepted the closing dialog&quot; or some such while the characters just treat it as normal.I want &quot;you slept last night but your spell points did not reset.&quot; to be a HOLY CRAP something must be wrong and that only works if my campaign runs by consistent and expected events, not &quot;indeterminant&quot; ones.I would not throw all that away to make controlling resources an element the GM controls by *rule* as opposed to by events.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7427553, member: 6919838"] Really, too many editions blur together after a while but i would have bet body part that in 1e "dawn" or "midnight" or "day" was directly tied to at least cleric recovery, not some indeterminant anytime gm wants to from 5m to six months? Wow. But i gotta say back to the first part, again, if the gm chooses to hinge spell recovery and other long rests on some external six month timeframe that varies from "adventure to adventure" it makes the whole thing seem less like folks in a world making choices than it does characters in a story following a script. How can people (pcs) plan if they dont know basic recovery physics from one "adventure" to another? "An indefinite amount of time" is **to me** a forced inconsistency to a campaign's truthiness. I want it to be that when things dont add up the same as they did last week the characters **and** the players can all go "hmmm... What is wrong?" instead of the players going "must not be adventure over fiat yet. We haven't accepted the closing dialog" or some such while the characters just treat it as normal. I want "you slept last night but your spell points did not reset." to be a HOLY CRAP something must be wrong and that only works if my campaign runs by consistent and expected events, not "indeterminant" ones. I would not throw all that away to make controlling resources an element the GM controls by *rule* as opposed to by events. [/QUOTE]

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