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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 2975300" data-attributes="member: 9789">The spell Ghoul Touch requires a melee touch attack to affect a creature.  In the spell summary, the spell lists under saves "Fortitude Negates."  In the spell description, two effects are listed:  paralysis on the creature hit with a melee touch attack, and a separate sickening effect on surrounding creatures (other than the caster).  The sickening effect is specifically described with "(Fortitude negates)" in the spell description; the paralysis effect is not.My question is:  is the paralysis effect also subject to a Fort save, or if the spell "hits," does that mean the creature affected is paralyzed without a save (the save is effectively the chance to hit, like Scorching Ray and the damage-only part of Chill Touch)?  The two lines of reasoning are:  1) all other spells that list "Fortitude negates" in the summary typically mean all aspects of the spell, so both aspects of this spell require a save and can be negated; and 2) since the spell description specifically mentions that the sickening effect is "Fortitude negates" and does not mention it for the paralysis effect, the "Fortitude negates" line in the spell summary only refers to the second effect of the spell.There may be many other arguments as well.  There also seem to be spell precedents set on both sides.  Other thoughts?</blockquote>