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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3282666" data-attributes="member: 1656">Well, in the first round, the order should be attack roll, bite damage, grapple check.  The bite damage is not applied a second time if the grapple check is successful, because this is a grapple check to establish a hold, and "A successful hold does not deal any extra damage unless the creature also has the constrict special attack."If the crocodile had a +6 BAB (assuming a normal round, not a surprise round), he could attempt to pin in the same round, but a successful check would not yield extra bite damage then either, because it is each successful grapple check it makes during successive rounds that deals the bite damage... not the establishing round.A similar question came up the other day, with a Lightning Bolt.I'd say no; the fighter and the crocodile are sharing the same space, so it's not possible to strike a square that contains the crocodile but does not contain the fighter... even though the crocodile takes up more squares than the fighter when they aren't grappling.-Hyp.</blockquote>