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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tyonisius" data-source="post: 3892623" data-attributes="member: 57179">My point isn't that it's not better than being a straight figher, my point is that you can sub in another race, such as the half-dragon, and only lose 3 levels. Lets make a level 17 fighter with the half-dragon template (for an ECL of 20)... I'll use human as the base race, but you could use many others for even better stat gains.Str +8, Con +2, Int +2, Cha +2, +4 Natural Armor,  Low-light vision, Dark Vision, Immunity to sleep, paralysis, and one element (depending on the dragon-type).  1d4 Natural Claw Attacks, 1d6 Natural Bite, Breath weapon of your choice.You'd end up with a bab of +17, base Fort of 10, Ref of 5, Will of 5.  9 fighter feats.  And thats for 3 levels of trade off.  Too me, this shows that the Giantbrother is a bit of a weak tradeoff.  You could make the build above even more killer by making the base race Goliath (making the level adjustment 4 instead of 3) and You'd gain even more kick-ass-ness.  Anyway, it's just my suggestion that you make it a 10 level progression.  If you don't want to do that, I'd give it some other fun stuff.  Maybe some throwing feats, Giants like to throw stuff.</blockquote>