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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 3785775" data-attributes="member: 15538">I still don't like the kobold change.Anyway. Clerics going to 9th level spells is not the same kind of change as &quot;Suddenly, Planescape had invaded your D&amp;D. Access to the Outer Planes is not difficult, and people go around breeding with demons with some frequency.&quot; Adding Klingons as a D&amp;D race would be a change, too, not the same as including gnomes or not. The monk is an excellent example... a lot of people did not feel the Oriental monk fit into D&amp;D, and he got kicked out. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I happen to like monks, but I feel there are cultural touchstones that have to be present for them to make sense. Sure, I can not use tieflings. But it's significant to me to say, &quot;Okay, we're playing D&amp;D. Since we're playing something other than Forgotten Realms, I should warn you one of the core races is not available. And gnomes are NPC only since we have only limited stats for them, so leave all those AD&amp;D and D&amp;D 3e gnome minis at home.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 3785775, member: 15538"] I still don't like the kobold change. Anyway. Clerics going to 9th level spells is not the same kind of change as "Suddenly, Planescape had invaded your D&D. Access to the Outer Planes is not difficult, and people go around breeding with demons with some frequency." Adding Klingons as a D&D race would be a change, too, not the same as including gnomes or not. The monk is an excellent example... a lot of people did not feel the Oriental monk fit into D&D, and he got kicked out. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I happen to like monks, but I feel there are cultural touchstones that have to be present for them to make sense. Sure, I can not use tieflings. But it's significant to me to say, "Okay, we're playing D&D. Since we're playing something other than Forgotten Realms, I should warn you one of the core races is not available. And gnomes are NPC only since we have only limited stats for them, so leave all those AD&D and D&D 3e gnome minis at home." [/QUOTE]

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