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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cor_Malek" data-source="post: 5348770" data-attributes="member: 91608">It might not seem like it to someone who already knows both, but both 4e and Pathfinder get a lot bad rep. They also get a lot good rep, yeah - but it's a matter of cognitive bias. When you're looking for new system, you're taking into account that you'll mostly read opinions of fans. It seems very logical then, to dismiss their compliments as part of post-purchase rationalisation, and look for counterarguments to what they write to see if it's true.And that's where it gets ugly. I checked out PF only to implement it's encounter building mechanism to 3.5, and maybe chuckle at it's wicked ways. I was sure that: all art is anime/emo oriented, there's enormous power creep to fit munchkins/power gamers (I'm a low wealth, low magic, low power kinda guy ;-) ), that it took 3.5, sodomized it, painted some fast stripes on the hood and smashed new pricetag on top.And no, it didn't fade away after initial contact either. Search and thy shall find.But I gave it a try and it worked like a dream, and even though many dismiss it as heavily houseruled 3.5... it's a Shelby kind of customization ;-)For example, to limit slayed at 1st level syndrome, in 3.5 I liked to start my players in NPC classes, and during first adventure they'd work their way up to desired class. I liked it (still do!) even as a player, but it's not something that majority of players enjoys. Changes that Paizo did are more... seamless. By definition, they do not stand out.I still have a lot of similar prejudices against 4e, which is a reason why I want to join a 4e campaign one of these days - alas, my time table does not allow this. But the only reason why I want to do so - is because I tinkered around it's mechanics and ways to use them in adventures, which got me interested. If I based my opinion on what I see on forums/pick while skimming through PHB - I'd surely avoid it.Edition warring takes heavier toll than we want to believe.</blockquote>

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