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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 5349006" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>Actually, I had 3 main complaints on 3e, all which had written down in the rules different options which could be implemented instead. When I looked through the books for Pathfinder I could no longer find these options listed as if they had been removed from Pathfinder for some unknown reason...which is why I asked about them.</p><p></p><p>The other 3 items were items I brought up because Paizo said the changes they were making were to fix problems people had with the system. There were specific problems that I saw people complain about 3.5 that I didn't see fixed/repaired in the Pathfinder rules on my browse through.</p><p></p><p>So a little less than 95. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I like 3.5, believe it or not. I think it's a great system overall. I think some hold it up too much like a religion instead of a game...and feel any deviation is evil...but that's not me actually.</p><p></p><p>I really enjoyed the Adventure Paths that Paizo put out, but after Legacy of Fire when they went all full into Pathfinder, I avoided buying any more. I wanted things that were completely compatible with 3.5 at that time, and if it were built more for Pathfinder rather than 3.5, I was unsure of whether the module would be overpowered for 3.5 characters or not.</p><p></p><p>So why do I want to be given reasons? Face it, the Pathfinder Players Guide is a freakin big book. It looks impressive. It's still a supported system, and still is evolving in various ways with input from fans.</p><p></p><p>Books for 3.5 are only going to get harder to find, and with the recent commentary on Pathfinder it appears that maybe PF will have the staying power to be around for a long time (hopefully longer than 3e and 3.5 were) in the actual market being published, and probably can outlast 4e along with a myriad of other RPG's. I'm looking for one where new players can actually buy the books at the bookstore (aka...not have to go online if they don't want to, and where the books are always available for new players).</p><p></p><p>Next, the Advanced Players guide appears to have some interesting things...but I don't want to get that at all if I'm not going to even buy the core rules for Pathfinder in the first place.</p><p></p><p>So there are reasons for me to get Pathfinder...but there were the three BIG reasons that I listed above...three things that I didn't have problems with in 3.5 because they were actually addressed by literal rules in the actual core rulebooks...aka...even rule lawyers could read them...I feared they were erased from PF with no alternatives to replace them.</p><p></p><p>In addition, I know from all the discussions (erm arguments?) over Pathfinder in the past that supposedly Paizo was going to address some of the problems people had with 3.5/3e, but in a different and LESS drastic way than WotC did with 4e. Obviously, that would also be something of interest to me to see if they were actually telling the truth...or if Paizo just fed a bait, hook, line and sinker in order to draw people in to buy their books without doing anything or not.</p><p></p><p>So, yes there is some draw for Pathfinder. I'm already registered at this site, and don't have to go register at another to get my questions asked. I figured people on the PF forums would know more than anyone else about their own systems (instead of asking people who already hate it, they tend to exaggerate on the bad things about a game system...and half the time are ignorant on the ins and outs since they probably don't play it themselves if they hate it that much).</p><p></p><p>So, I asked here. There are some things that I like about what I've seen about PF...but my core questions that may turn me off about it are what I am asking about.</p><p></p><p>Of course if the attitude of telling some one requesting info is to tell them to kiss off is indicative of those playing PF in the first place...well...</p><p></p><p>Actually that has little bearing on me since I will be recruiting my own players to the game...probably not playing with those already playing PF. If that were the case of wanting to play with already experienced PF players, I could just ask them the same stuff as I'm asking here. This is more looking at my own gaming groups and how well I and they may prefer to play PF.</p><p></p><p>As I said, 3.5 is great...but looking at it's gradual die off...and the ease of getting specific books (I imagine some 3.5 books are eventually going to get prohibitively expensive...though some of the big ones will remain buyable second hand...but many new options can replace those optional 3.5 books via the Advanced Players Guide...which...in a circular reasoning...I've already explained above WHY I don't think I should get it first).</p><p></p><p>So...as I said, give me a reason to like Pathfinder...aka...more to the point...give me reasons to like Pathfinder by addressing the questions I had or reasoning why they are not as relavant as I would think they are.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 5349006, member: 4348"] Actually, I had 3 main complaints on 3e, all which had written down in the rules different options which could be implemented instead. When I looked through the books for Pathfinder I could no longer find these options listed as if they had been removed from Pathfinder for some unknown reason...which is why I asked about them. The other 3 items were items I brought up because Paizo said the changes they were making were to fix problems people had with the system. There were specific problems that I saw people complain about 3.5 that I didn't see fixed/repaired in the Pathfinder rules on my browse through. So a little less than 95. :) I like 3.5, believe it or not. I think it's a great system overall. I think some hold it up too much like a religion instead of a game...and feel any deviation is evil...but that's not me actually. I really enjoyed the Adventure Paths that Paizo put out, but after Legacy of Fire when they went all full into Pathfinder, I avoided buying any more. I wanted things that were completely compatible with 3.5 at that time, and if it were built more for Pathfinder rather than 3.5, I was unsure of whether the module would be overpowered for 3.5 characters or not. So why do I want to be given reasons? Face it, the Pathfinder Players Guide is a freakin big book. It looks impressive. It's still a supported system, and still is evolving in various ways with input from fans. Books for 3.5 are only going to get harder to find, and with the recent commentary on Pathfinder it appears that maybe PF will have the staying power to be around for a long time (hopefully longer than 3e and 3.5 were) in the actual market being published, and probably can outlast 4e along with a myriad of other RPG's. I'm looking for one where new players can actually buy the books at the bookstore (aka...not have to go online if they don't want to, and where the books are always available for new players). Next, the Advanced Players guide appears to have some interesting things...but I don't want to get that at all if I'm not going to even buy the core rules for Pathfinder in the first place. So there are reasons for me to get Pathfinder...but there were the three BIG reasons that I listed above...three things that I didn't have problems with in 3.5 because they were actually addressed by literal rules in the actual core rulebooks...aka...even rule lawyers could read them...I feared they were erased from PF with no alternatives to replace them. In addition, I know from all the discussions (erm arguments?) over Pathfinder in the past that supposedly Paizo was going to address some of the problems people had with 3.5/3e, but in a different and LESS drastic way than WotC did with 4e. Obviously, that would also be something of interest to me to see if they were actually telling the truth...or if Paizo just fed a bait, hook, line and sinker in order to draw people in to buy their books without doing anything or not. So, yes there is some draw for Pathfinder. I'm already registered at this site, and don't have to go register at another to get my questions asked. I figured people on the PF forums would know more than anyone else about their own systems (instead of asking people who already hate it, they tend to exaggerate on the bad things about a game system...and half the time are ignorant on the ins and outs since they probably don't play it themselves if they hate it that much). So, I asked here. There are some things that I like about what I've seen about PF...but my core questions that may turn me off about it are what I am asking about. Of course if the attitude of telling some one requesting info is to tell them to kiss off is indicative of those playing PF in the first place...well... Actually that has little bearing on me since I will be recruiting my own players to the game...probably not playing with those already playing PF. If that were the case of wanting to play with already experienced PF players, I could just ask them the same stuff as I'm asking here. This is more looking at my own gaming groups and how well I and they may prefer to play PF. As I said, 3.5 is great...but looking at it's gradual die off...and the ease of getting specific books (I imagine some 3.5 books are eventually going to get prohibitively expensive...though some of the big ones will remain buyable second hand...but many new options can replace those optional 3.5 books via the Advanced Players Guide...which...in a circular reasoning...I've already explained above WHY I don't think I should get it first). So...as I said, give me a reason to like Pathfinder...aka...more to the point...give me reasons to like Pathfinder by addressing the questions I had or reasoning why they are not as relavant as I would think they are. [/QUOTE]
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