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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Black Omega" data-source="post: 1791814" data-attributes="member: 79">Well, technically, Shiva was being mind controlled at the time and not really fighting very well.  Batman did beat Shiva in the Death in the Family storyline, though he needed Robin's help to do so. Batgirl also beat her, though it was suggested in the book at the time Shiva had a death wish and wanted to die in the fight. It says alot that later when Batman needed help getting his edge back, he went to Shiva for training.  Which means by now Shiva's trained Batman, Batgirl, and Robin.I'm a big Shiva fan, she's not a true villain, but has a complex zen amorality (when well written.  Her best appearance recently was in Bird's of Prey 62-67).  Her goal is to test herself against the best martial artists in the world.  To that end she's killed a group of thugs before just to draw a nearby hero into fighting her.  She's also helped Robin against a martial arts villain trying to poison Hong Kong and the Justice League against a occult martial artist cult baddie.As for top villains, that's pretty tough.The Joker:  "When supervillains want to scare each other, they tell Joker stories."  Just so many ways to use the guy.  Basic robberies.  Mass death.  Something symbolic, like defacing a work of art.  He's truly insane, so anything is possible.   Still, Joker, Doom, Magneto have been talked about enough.  On to something different.Shasti:  Former 3WA Trouble Consultant.  Vat grown at an accelerated pace, so no childhood.  Used as an experiment in cyber-enhancement, including a multiple personality chip that selected an appropriate persona for different situations.   Until then 3WA messed up and added a criminal persona to aid in tracking a villain.  Now freelance, amoral, very angry, and willing to kill plenty of innocents to get her revenge on the system that created her.  And still a bit crazy thanks to the multiple personalities.</blockquote>

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