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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rowport" data-source="post: 2774800" data-attributes="member: 9729">InterestingHey, dudes.  I find this discussion/debate about opposed checks and how many very interesting.  I do not have much to add, but am genuinely curious: Elder-Basilisk and frankthedm, are both of your campaigns very tactical in nature, with lots of 'environmental factors' taken into account modifying checks?  I think that type of game is perfectly legitimate (although not my cup of tea personally).  I ask because if these detailed checks are standard for the skill-using characters (Rogues, Rangers, etc.) I would hope that similar factors affect your ranged combatants, and terrain is a major hinderance for melee types, etc.  If *all* character archtypes have similar considerations, then no harm, no foul.  But, if this type of stuff only affects skill-based characters, then the game would be tough for rogues!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />FWIW, I am in Buzz's game, and while I agree with him that our group is not tactical to that extreme, even in our group, you are better as a combat specialist than as a social or sneaky character, because opposed checks and modifiers impact skill-usage *much* more often than terrain/weather/etc. affect combat ability.  For instance, my ninja has a great Bluff check.  But, his results are always modified by "believability".  Now, that might be a reasonable modifier to apply (just as the noise, frequency, etc. might be valid against Hide and/or Move Silently).  But, in practice it means that his very high Bluff nearly always fails, while his melee buddy continues to hit up a storm!  So, the indirect lesson is: do not play a skillful character, instead just blow stuff up real good.  Bummer, really.Again, if *everybody* is affected by external factors it would all balance out.  But, in my experience that is generally not the case.  I suspect that might impact Buzz's perspective, where perhaps both frankthedm and E-B have more balanced game environmentals.  What do y'all think?</blockquote>

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