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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6352985" data-attributes="member: 996">I'm asserting that they're virtually the same game.  Pathfinder is a continuation of 3.5 - it trades off the D&D tradition, and, by association, even the name.  It's D&D by default when WotC chooses not to put out enough actual D&D. I fully grasp that Pathfinder sold less than 4e and even Essentials, initially, and pulled ahead only when the release schedule in the wake of Essentials slowed to a trickle.  I get that Pathfinder has enjoyed a solid #1 status for the couple of years that D&D has /not been published at all/.  I get that there's a core of Piazo fans who are only Paizo fans because they conceived an abiding hatred for WotC, and they may /)come back. But they didn't topple D&D from the #1 spot.  WotC did that by not offering enough (or, for two years /any/) product).  If 5e doesn't shoot immediately to #1, it will because WotC screwed up in some colossal way.   They've shown no sign of doing so.  The build-up to the new release has been comparatively polite and workmanlike, this time.  The content of the game is derivative of past editions, and thus comfortably familiar to existing fans.  The only thing that might trip them up is how they approach the OGL.</blockquote>