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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 6295206" data-attributes="member: 18701">Yeah, that's why I said that I would pick the flaw. I don't allow flaws or alternate classes in general because of the reason you just mentioned. But if I'm picking their flaw....then..... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil    :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" />Excellent suggestion! I think I'll do that if this situation happens. That way I can really make sure that the flaw he receives will balance out the feat he picks if I felt it needed to be balanced.Actually just 2 PCs, but the sorcerer could strike the deal for himself to save the other PC from the trouble if they wanted.I won't go into detail, but it's a situation where they were explicitly warned not to attack the Glabrezu because it is much too powerful for them. They just had to come up with a way to get it to leave the area. They had several options including even just roleplaying and convincing it to leave. They chose to attack it anyway, but only in order to lure it to another area. It wasn't a terrible plan because it could have worked. Their only mistake was not determining how in the world they would outpace a huge sized creature with reach and a higher speed. I don't know what they were thinking. The other PCs are running back to where these 2 PCs and the Glabrezu are. I don't know what they have in mind in order to help. If they roleplay well, they can talk their way out of this situation. If they attack it, *shakes head*....I think just using one flaw isn't so nasty. The penalty of the flaw may not even really be in the fiends favor compared to the feat chosen. Which is the enticing part for this PC. But in the long run, I think that if a PC kept getting penalties to various skills, saves, ability scores, etc, that adds up over time. So even though a caster might pick a feat that boosts CL for spells, or picks metamagic feats or whatever he'll do to improve his spellcasting, all those penalties can really hurt.  At first glance, just within the first 4 levels, he could possibly take a -3 to each saving throw and a -6 to initiative if I chose those flaws. Sure, his casting might be better, but his initiative will suck and he'll have a harder time to save any spells. And if I let him pick the feat before I pick the flaw, I can balance the side effects appropriately.Of course, this might cripple a PC, but that is the point. He made a deal with a demon. The fun factor begins when he realizes his mistake and tries to overcome this "curse". That's an adventure in itself. So it isn't as if he won't have the chance to "fix" his PC if he wanted to.</blockquote>

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