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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8818951" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Barbarian (STR / CON) - Dex. Barbarians are associated with speed and the ability to avoid traps and the like.Bard (DEX / CHA) - Wis. One of those &quot;resistant to your own wares&quot; sort of things.Cleric (WIS / CHA) - Con. Clerics are trained in war, even Light Clerics. That includes endurance training.Druid (INT / WIS) - Dex. Think of it as physical intuition due to their familiarity with many different body-shapes.Fighter (STR / CON) - Wis. Fighters need acute, accurate awareness of the battlefield around them.Monk (STR / DEX) - Wis. It's honestly weird to me that they got Dex instead of Wis here.Paladin (WIS / CHA) - Con. Even moreso than Clerics, they're trained for war.Ranger (STR / DEX) - Wis. They're trackers, hunters, they have to be able to distinguish camouflage from real stuff. That's Wis.Rogue (DEX / INT) - Con. IMO, thematically many rogues lack wisdom, but often inexplicably survive pulverization, which screams &quot;Con.&quot;Sorcerer (CON / CHA) - Dex. A physical intuition like the Druid, but coming from rigorous self-examination.Warlock (WIS / CHA) - Con. Being a successful Warlock usually means surviving dives into deepWizard (INT / WIS) - Dex. Being a Wizard means lots of careful equation-writing and diagram-drawing. That's part of Dex.These are intentionally all &quot;good&quot; saves. And I got lucky--it didn't take more than a cursory effort to ensure that each new save showed up exactly equally with the others.If we reduce this to &quot;good&quot; saves, we getCon/Dex: 3 (Barb, Rogue, Sorc)Con/Wis: 4 (Cleric, Fighter, Paladin, Warlock)Dex/Wis: 5 (Bard, Druid, Monk, Ranger, Wizard)If you wanted to balance it out so that you instead have four of each pair of &quot;good&quot; saves, give Ranger Con saves instead of Wis. I originally had &quot;Wis or Con&quot; for Rangers (as in, &quot;you as designer should pick one of those, which all Rangers will get,&quot; not letting the player choose one), so I'm perfectly comfortable with that. Having each of the three &quot;two good saves&quot; combinations equally-represented would be a solid game design choice--it means that it's very unlikely that any given party will be totally weak to a single &quot;important&quot; save, so long as everyone plays a different class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8818951, member: 6790260"] Barbarian (STR / CON) - Dex. Barbarians are associated with speed and the ability to avoid traps and the like. Bard (DEX / CHA) - Wis. One of those "resistant to your own wares" sort of things. Cleric (WIS / CHA) - Con. Clerics are trained in war, even Light Clerics. That includes endurance training. Druid (INT / WIS) - Dex. Think of it as physical intuition due to their familiarity with many different body-shapes. Fighter (STR / CON) - Wis. Fighters need acute, accurate awareness of the battlefield around them. Monk (STR / DEX) - Wis. It's honestly weird to me that they got Dex instead of Wis here. Paladin (WIS / CHA) - Con. Even moreso than Clerics, they're trained for war. Ranger (STR / DEX) - Wis. They're trackers, hunters, they have to be able to distinguish camouflage from real stuff. That's Wis. Rogue (DEX / INT) - Con. IMO, thematically many rogues lack wisdom, but often inexplicably survive pulverization, which screams "Con." Sorcerer (CON / CHA) - Dex. A physical intuition like the Druid, but coming from rigorous self-examination. Warlock (WIS / CHA) - Con. Being a [I]successful[/I] Warlock usually means surviving dives into deep Wizard (INT / WIS) - Dex. Being a Wizard means lots of careful equation-writing and diagram-drawing. That's part of Dex. These are intentionally all "good" saves. And I got lucky--it didn't take more than a cursory effort to ensure that each new save showed up exactly equally with the others. If we reduce this to "good" saves, we get Con/Dex: 3 (Barb, Rogue, Sorc) Con/Wis: 4 (Cleric, Fighter, Paladin, Warlock) Dex/Wis: 5 (Bard, Druid, Monk, Ranger, Wizard) If you wanted to balance it out so that you instead have four of each pair of "good" saves, give Ranger Con saves instead of Wis. I originally had "Wis or Con" for Rangers (as in, "you as designer should pick one of those, which all Rangers will get," not letting the player [I]choose[/I] one), so I'm perfectly comfortable with that. Having each of the three "two good saves" combinations equally-represented would be a solid game design choice--it means that it's very unlikely that any given party will be totally weak to a single "important" save, so long as everyone plays a different class. [/QUOTE]

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