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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cedric" data-source="post: 1891618" data-attributes="member: 2044">If you follow D&D from 1st edition to 3.5...then no single edition of the game has gone by without reducing the effectiveness of Arcane Spellcasting. You can argue that if you want, but I would really love to see your logic. At what point is enough, just plain of enough? Now in 3.5 there are almost no instant kill spells that do not allow a saving throw or some other easy alternative to get out of the spell. Even Power Word Kill doesn't function if you have more than 101 hps currently, which in 3.5 a high level pure caster could have. There are ample means to improve your saving throws or even gain immunity or near immunity to specific attacks. I see many people in this thread arguing that magic is too strong still..while on the other hand, I argue that it's mostly had it's teeth pulled and become a watered down shadow of it's former self. There will be no more Mordenkainen's, Drawmij's or the like...they simply aren't impressive any longer. Cedric</blockquote>