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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Philotomy Jurament" data-source="post: 4410277" data-attributes="member: 20854">This was one of the things that I had to modify, when running C&C.  I remember being particularly bothered by the Cleric's sound burst spell.  I'm big on the classes being archetypes and having their own niche, and see clerics as being a combination of a fighter and a spellcaster, but "second class" at both (i.e. not as good in melee, not as potent with spells).  That kind of spell let the cleric out-do the magic user; it's a better offensive spell than sleep, for example.Yeah, me too.  Surprise was a big one.  Using the SIEGE engine for surprise had some weird side effects because perception was Wis-based, and Clerics were almost always high-Wis and Prime-Wis, so they were usually the best ambush detectors in the group.I changed movement, too.  I like the way turns and movement work in the old editions; it makes tracking time by movement (during exploration, for example) very simple and intuitive.  I also changed movement in combat; C&C's rules were slightly different from what I wanted.Saving throws were another area where I initially thought the SIEGE engine was cool, but gradually realized I liked the old approach better.  SIEGE-based saving throws tie are "resistance-type" affairs based on your stat, your level, and the level of the effect you're saving against.  As I mentioned, above, I'm a proponent of classes and archetypes, and I like rules that reinforce (rather than break down) the importance of your class, so the SIEGE-based approach to saving throws didn't end up doing what I liked.  Also, I found that having the opposition effect's level always modifying saves caused them to work differently than I wanted.  In short, it's not that C&C's save system is bad, but rather that it doesn't model saving throws like I want them to work.My experience is the same.  I ended up cutting the SIEGE engine out of surprise and saves, as I mentioned.  I also found myself relying on it less and less for handling other actions, as time went on.  I want to reinforce that sentiment, because despite my criticisms, I had a good time with C&C, and it did the job.  Also, my criticisms are very much rooted in my preferences and ideas about how the game should model this or that.I think C&C is a great via media that stakes out a position between "old school" and "new school" and allows individual DMs to easily pull from the various editions.  One C&C game might be very AD&Dish, while another might feel d20-ish, depending on the people involved.</blockquote>

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