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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 5720770" data-attributes="member: 762">Wait a minute, now I'm confused. If the player is actually affecting/influencing the setting (not the character the player) how is that not narrative control? We've already discussed the DM filter - in which I'll buy your player agency argument (the player is not exerting direct control but depending on the DM, though again in some circumstances , at least to me, it makes little actual difference).But if the player in some way directly exerts control over the setting (the DM let him directly place a cart in the villains way etc.) he has some narrative control.What am I missing here?edit: ok re-reading your explanation, I think I get it. Player agency is another word for narrative control (yes?) but you prefer character agency - which is acting solely through the actions the characer not the player has control over.</blockquote>