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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 5724465" data-attributes="member: 762">The designers of 4e went in a directon that really rubs some people the wrong way, I don't think there's even a question that that's true.For example: there are "non-magic" powers in 4e that allow the player to look at a monster and say "I slide it 3 squares in that direction" - this is something quite a few people just really dislike in their games.I'm not going to rehash my utter disagreement with this presentation of healing surges. I will just say that I wish you would not bring that discussion into this thread, even with the supposed qualifier in the last sentence - one of the whole points of a new thread was so people talk about something other than healing surges (I have no wish to yank this thread in that direction)Actually per this thread, some people really dislike (A) or at the very least are very uncomfortable with it.Reading through the thread opinions run a wide spectrum. Some like "some" player narrative control, some like narrative control only in the context of games specifically designed for it, and some hate even the hint of player narrative control.</blockquote>