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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4617428" data-attributes="member: 43019">For example, Martyr's Retribution is a 4W paladin daily, half damage, costs a healing surge to make. If Fireball hits two targets, it will do as much damage, and three it will do more. And I'd certainly hope you'd hit more than 2 with a spell that large... and sure, it's spread out, but there is value in that. And hey, didn't cost a surge. And had great range.Now, I do think Fireball is somewhat lackluster, particularly considering that it's _Fireball_ and should be more popular via grandfathering... but to double its damage? That would make it do as much damage to a single target as Martyr's Retribution, nevermind multiple.P.S. Bigby's Grasping Hand is pretty cool, but I think you're far overestimating the likelihood of a creature to remain grabbed and take the sustain damage.</blockquote>