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<blockquote data-quote="Frozen_Heart" data-source="post: 8323672" data-attributes="member: 7029687">A gish existed in 3e, called the duskblade. It's where the spellstrike mechanic came from (called arcane channelling back then). When pathfinder appeared, this got ported over as the magus (with arcane channelling being renamed spellstrike).Then in 4e many of the duskblades mechanics got ported to the swordmage. With most of its 'powers' being magical effects applied through weapon attacks.Now in 5e we have the duskblade/magus/swordmage theme with the bladesinger and eldritch knight. While its mechanics got moved to the paladin and ranger spell lists. This separation of its signature mechanics and its theme is the issue many of us have with the current gishes. If bladesinger and eldritch knight had been given suitable spell lists, this wouldn't be an issue.So the concept has existed as long as the sorcerer and warlock have in DnD. But the name has failed to ever stick, which imo is one of the main reasons for it failing to gain a proper identity.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frozen_Heart, post: 8323672, member: 7029687"] A gish existed in 3e, called the duskblade. It's where the spellstrike mechanic came from (called arcane channelling back then). When pathfinder appeared, this got ported over as the magus (with arcane channelling being renamed spellstrike). Then in 4e many of the duskblades mechanics got ported to the swordmage. With most of its 'powers' being magical effects applied through weapon attacks. Now in 5e we have the duskblade/magus/swordmage theme with the bladesinger and eldritch knight. While its mechanics got moved to the paladin and ranger spell lists. This separation of its signature mechanics and its theme is the issue many of us have with the current gishes. If bladesinger and eldritch knight had been given suitable spell lists, this wouldn't be an issue. So the concept has existed as long as the sorcerer and warlock have in DnD. But the name has failed to ever stick, which imo is one of the main reasons for it failing to gain a proper identity. [/QUOTE]

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