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<blockquote data-quote="Frozen_Heart" data-source="post: 8324019" data-attributes="member: 7029687"><p>I mean it technically does. But game mechanics have moved on since then, and smoother ways of doing things have been used since.</p><p></p><p>So when bladesinger and EK are playing as this disjointed multiclass which functions as a part wizard and then a part fighter. And then you look across at the party paladin and ranger, who are seamlessly blending magic and martial ability in the way that your gish could once do, but can no longer do. It's easy to see the frustration.</p><p></p><p>If the arcane gish had always acted like this, casting and then hitting separately, no one would be complaining. If the paladin and ranger used the cleric/druid list, people wouldn't complain about the EK/bladesinger using the wizard list, as we wouldn't know that there was a more interesting way of doing things.</p><p></p><p>But we've had two editions of DnD and two editions of pathfinder where they can blend magic into their weapon strikes. And then we've had 5e where paladin and ranger can also blend magic into their weapon strikes. And then we have that removed specifically for arcane gishes this edition, it just feels like a flat downgrade in how it plays, even if the power level comes out the same.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Frozen_Heart, post: 8324019, member: 7029687"] I mean it technically does. But game mechanics have moved on since then, and smoother ways of doing things have been used since. So when bladesinger and EK are playing as this disjointed multiclass which functions as a part wizard and then a part fighter. And then you look across at the party paladin and ranger, who are seamlessly blending magic and martial ability in the way that your gish could once do, but can no longer do. It's easy to see the frustration. If the arcane gish had always acted like this, casting and then hitting separately, no one would be complaining. If the paladin and ranger used the cleric/druid list, people wouldn't complain about the EK/bladesinger using the wizard list, as we wouldn't know that there was a more interesting way of doing things. But we've had two editions of DnD and two editions of pathfinder where they can blend magic into their weapon strikes. And then we've had 5e where paladin and ranger can also blend magic into their weapon strikes. And then we have that removed specifically for arcane gishes this edition, it just feels like a flat downgrade in how it plays, even if the power level comes out the same. [/QUOTE]
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