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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8348529" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Rogues are the most versatile characters in the game and my favorite class, but they are not the most competent martials nor really even close to fighters in that regard.I think most of the people who claim fighters are "dumb jocks" have never tried to play one that isn't.  Fighters are the least MAD class.  You really only "need" 1 good stat to play a fighter effectively (either strength or dex).  This lets you put the rest of the points whereever you want for your theme.  For example, If you are going to be playing a Samurai you will probably not be dumping Wisdom. Also while I am at it an EK can be built to outdamage any other fighter, or probably any other class at most levels (without using any limited use abilities), while also sporting a 23AC.  I have never understood or agreed with the arguement that they are not good GISH characters.</blockquote>