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<blockquote data-quote="Frozen_Heart" data-source="post: 8355348" data-attributes="member: 7029687"><p>Yeah I don't like the casting levelled spells through the attack action either. 3e had it for the duskblade, but only for touch spells, and touch spells are a completely different format back then. Now most spells which were once touch spells are other types. And most 5e touch spells are non combat spells. If you try to word it to include all the spells which make sense, and exclude all the spells which don't make sense, it becomes several pages of random exceptions and clunky wording. (And I don't think that an arcane gish should even get fireball. Getting the attack action and casting fireball together is beyond stupid).</p><p></p><p>4e turned all these into encounter powers instead of spells, which was its own separate issue.</p><p></p><p>5e very specifically has two spell formats for spells which are designed to be cast via weapon attack. Blade cantrips (I dislike these as they introduce balancing issues), and the bonus action smite/strike spells. Where in 3e you would cast the generic fear spell through your weapon attack, in 5e you have a dedicated wrathful smite. Spell is cast on bonus action, then when one of your attacks in the next minute hits it activates, causing feat and a tiny bit of psychic damage.</p><p></p><p>5e has a great formula for it already, just inaccessible to arcane classes. I don't get why people want to just ignore that entire formula for it. Casting fireball and then hitting something can already be done with action surge or metamagic. We don't need a dedicated class for it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Frozen_Heart, post: 8355348, member: 7029687"] Yeah I don't like the casting levelled spells through the attack action either. 3e had it for the duskblade, but only for touch spells, and touch spells are a completely different format back then. Now most spells which were once touch spells are other types. And most 5e touch spells are non combat spells. If you try to word it to include all the spells which make sense, and exclude all the spells which don't make sense, it becomes several pages of random exceptions and clunky wording. (And I don't think that an arcane gish should even get fireball. Getting the attack action and casting fireball together is beyond stupid). 4e turned all these into encounter powers instead of spells, which was its own separate issue. 5e very specifically has two spell formats for spells which are designed to be cast via weapon attack. Blade cantrips (I dislike these as they introduce balancing issues), and the bonus action smite/strike spells. Where in 3e you would cast the generic fear spell through your weapon attack, in 5e you have a dedicated wrathful smite. Spell is cast on bonus action, then when one of your attacks in the next minute hits it activates, causing feat and a tiny bit of psychic damage. 5e has a great formula for it already, just inaccessible to arcane classes. I don't get why people want to just ignore that entire formula for it. Casting fireball and then hitting something can already be done with action surge or metamagic. We don't need a dedicated class for it. [/QUOTE]
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