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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6318230" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>Yes and no.</p><p></p><p>He has a claim on the soul when the character dies, but the contract was for his soul only, not his life. He gets to live his life just as he would have. And the Devil made it clear that further dealings were possible.</p><p></p><p>Originally the PC traded 10% of his soul to help someone else. Later he traded another 20% for hrlp when the party really needed it. </p><p></p><p>The Devil made it clear, from the beginning, that he was open to negotiation, that services rendered or other souls given in place of his could reduce or eliminate the debt. It was such a service deal that sent the party off looking for that dagger. Delivering it would have reduced his debt from 30% to 20%. Accepting the deal and then failing to come though, however, is what cost him the balance of his soul.</p><p></p><p>So even paying the Devil his due would only have reduced the debt, not eliminated it. At this point though, the soul is to be collected, and even if the Devil is killed it may not stop that. He might sell it to someone else for favors or services. The way I see it, souls are a form of currency in Hell, and the souls of high level heroes are very valuable. At this point, knowing that they plan his demise, the last thing that Devil will do is show up anyplace where they can take another shot at him. He'll sell the soul and let them know, so going after him becomes pointless.</p><p></p><p>Figure that Hell has been making these deals and playing these games for a long time. The system won't be easily broken, and certainly not by so simple a thing as brute force.</p><p></p><p>I recall a list from some online source called "If I ever become an evil Overlord". One of the pieces of self-advice was, "I shall hire a 9 year old child and keep them on staff. I shall have them review all of my evil schemes. If they can see a hole in it, then it shall need to be revised."</p><p></p><p>Inviting the Devil down for drinks so you can kill him, and thus void a contract? That plan wouldn't pass the "Ask a 9 year old" test, nor would any Devilish plan or standard practice that could be foiled that simply. </p><p></p><p>This is something of a standard for this class of opponents: I presume that they've done this before and have given their approach some thought. They're professionals.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6318230, member: 6669384"] Yes and no. He has a claim on the soul when the character dies, but the contract was for his soul only, not his life. He gets to live his life just as he would have. And the Devil made it clear that further dealings were possible. Originally the PC traded 10% of his soul to help someone else. Later he traded another 20% for hrlp when the party really needed it. The Devil made it clear, from the beginning, that he was open to negotiation, that services rendered or other souls given in place of his could reduce or eliminate the debt. It was such a service deal that sent the party off looking for that dagger. Delivering it would have reduced his debt from 30% to 20%. Accepting the deal and then failing to come though, however, is what cost him the balance of his soul. So even paying the Devil his due would only have reduced the debt, not eliminated it. At this point though, the soul is to be collected, and even if the Devil is killed it may not stop that. He might sell it to someone else for favors or services. The way I see it, souls are a form of currency in Hell, and the souls of high level heroes are very valuable. At this point, knowing that they plan his demise, the last thing that Devil will do is show up anyplace where they can take another shot at him. He'll sell the soul and let them know, so going after him becomes pointless. Figure that Hell has been making these deals and playing these games for a long time. The system won't be easily broken, and certainly not by so simple a thing as brute force. I recall a list from some online source called "If I ever become an evil Overlord". One of the pieces of self-advice was, "I shall hire a 9 year old child and keep them on staff. I shall have them review all of my evil schemes. If they can see a hole in it, then it shall need to be revised." Inviting the Devil down for drinks so you can kill him, and thus void a contract? That plan wouldn't pass the "Ask a 9 year old" test, nor would any Devilish plan or standard practice that could be foiled that simply. This is something of a standard for this class of opponents: I presume that they've done this before and have given their approach some thought. They're professionals. [/QUOTE]
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