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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Graf" data-source="post: 2379229" data-attributes="member: 3087">One of my players (who, incidentally is both quite bright and agrees more with you than me on this) mocks me for my long posts.But one other comment I feel obliged to make is that whenever a DM (as from time to time every DM has to do) says "sorry that spell can't do that" I feel that they should be comfortable backing that up with a statement like1. The spell is not high enough to achieve that effect. Spell x which generates a comparable effect is y numbers of level higher. 2. That effect is more powerful than a wish, which is the most powerful spell in the game. I'm not saying that there is no way to generate that effect, but it is beyond the range of magic normally available to mortals.Personally I see the whole "stretchy rat" (or yoda style bouncing beanbag of death thing that would probably necessarily happen if a high level monk were made to look like a rat with a Veil spell) effect as being a detriment to a player because it gives more information about what the underlying creature is doing, as well as making it clearer to the viewer what is happening.But if you see that as an extra effect which the Veil spell is not capable of producing (as a 6th level spell) then how many additional levels would you require the Veil spell to have before it could product it?</blockquote>