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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1220078" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Fine.</p><p></p><p>Let's debate what is written.</p><p></p><p>Can a caster cast a spell outside of the area of effect of the AMF from inside it? Two different arguments as to why the caster cannot:</p><p></p><p>1) "line of effect: A straight unblocked line between two points relevant to the spells <strong>effect</strong>."</p><p></p><p>"A line of effect is a straight unblocked <strong>path</strong> that indicates what a spell can affect."</p><p></p><p>"The space within this barrier is impervious to most magical effects, including spells, ..."</p><p></p><p>So, line of effect for a spell requires two points and the path (or line) in between in order to achieve a spell effect, not just the destination point. The space within the barrier is impervious to magical effects, hence, to lines of effect.</p><p></p><p>Since one of the points of the line of effect is within the AMF and the space within the AMF is impervious to spell effects, it is impossible to cast within an AMF.</p><p></p><p>"If you ever try to cast a spell in conditions where the characteristics of the spell (range, area, etc.) cannot be made to conform, the casting fails and the spell is wasted."</p><p></p><p>Since one point within the line of effect is also within a space which is imperious to magical effects, you are casting where one characteristic of the spell (line of effect) cannot be made to conform. Hence the phrase "Line of effect", not "Line of sight": the magic travels along the path of this line and since magic is suppressed, it cannot travel along this path to exit the area of effect of the AMF.</p><p></p><p></p><p>2) DMG page 72:</p><p></p><p>"<em>Antimagic Field</em> - Does an antimagic field or similar magic suppress the ability?"</p><p></p><p>"Table 3-12: Spell-like Yes"</p><p></p><p>"No supernatural ability, spell-like ability, or spell works in an area of antimagic."</p><p></p><p>DMG page 71:</p><p></p><p>Hence, AMF suppresses spell-like abilities completely. Not just the effect, but the spell-like ability (i.e. the ability to create a spell-like effect). So, if your POV were correct, then AMF would allow a spell caster to cast a spell through the area of the AMF, but a creature could not use a spell-like ability (since the ability is suppressed) to do the same thing. Nothing in the rules indicates that from the perspective of cause and effect that there is a different between spell abilities and spell-like abilities. In fact, the indication is that the rules indicate that spell-like abilities are spells:</p><p></p><p>"Spell-like abilities, as the name implies, are spells and magical abilities very much like spells."</p><p></p><p>Why would AMF be any different between spells and spell-like effects? There are no rules that allow for a difference.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>From these rules, it is clear that magic does not work within or through an antimagic field. Period.</p><p></p><p>There do not appear to be any rules to support your POV or if there are, please quote them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1220078, member: 2011"] Fine. Let's debate what is written. Can a caster cast a spell outside of the area of effect of the AMF from inside it? Two different arguments as to why the caster cannot: 1) "line of effect: A straight unblocked line between two points relevant to the spells [b]effect[/b]." "A line of effect is a straight unblocked [b]path[/b] that indicates what a spell can affect." "The space within this barrier is impervious to most magical effects, including spells, ..." So, line of effect for a spell requires two points and the path (or line) in between in order to achieve a spell effect, not just the destination point. The space within the barrier is impervious to magical effects, hence, to lines of effect. Since one of the points of the line of effect is within the AMF and the space within the AMF is impervious to spell effects, it is impossible to cast within an AMF. "If you ever try to cast a spell in conditions where the characteristics of the spell (range, area, etc.) cannot be made to conform, the casting fails and the spell is wasted." Since one point within the line of effect is also within a space which is imperious to magical effects, you are casting where one characteristic of the spell (line of effect) cannot be made to conform. Hence the phrase "Line of effect", not "Line of sight": the magic travels along the path of this line and since magic is suppressed, it cannot travel along this path to exit the area of effect of the AMF. 2) DMG page 72: "[i]Antimagic Field[/i] - Does an antimagic field or similar magic suppress the ability?" "Table 3-12: Spell-like Yes" "No supernatural ability, spell-like ability, or spell works in an area of antimagic." DMG page 71: Hence, AMF suppresses spell-like abilities completely. Not just the effect, but the spell-like ability (i.e. the ability to create a spell-like effect). So, if your POV were correct, then AMF would allow a spell caster to cast a spell through the area of the AMF, but a creature could not use a spell-like ability (since the ability is suppressed) to do the same thing. Nothing in the rules indicates that from the perspective of cause and effect that there is a different between spell abilities and spell-like abilities. In fact, the indication is that the rules indicate that spell-like abilities are spells: "Spell-like abilities, as the name implies, are spells and magical abilities very much like spells." Why would AMF be any different between spells and spell-like effects? There are no rules that allow for a difference. From these rules, it is clear that magic does not work within or through an antimagic field. Period. There do not appear to be any rules to support your POV or if there are, please quote them. [/QUOTE]
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