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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7480643">(My apologies if this has been well discussed before.&nbsp; Somebody asked for help with this build, but the math wasn't discussed.)Gloom Stalker: 5Assassin: 3Using Hunter's MarkDoes this (potentially) do as much first-round damage as I think?&nbsp; Let's talk the best case, that your opponent is surprised:Melee:Two weapon fighting2 Attacks (Ranger 5), plus offhand.&nbsp; One more attack, that does an extra +1d8, from Dread Ambush(If I were doing this I'd probably go variant Human and take Alert feat, for a total Initiative bonus of +11)Let's say we're using shortswords because I hate rapiersSo that's 4 attacks doing 2d6 each (weapon plus Hunter's Mark), + 1d8 + 2d6 Sneak attack, all doubled, plus 4xAbility, which would be +4 at this point.So 20d6 + 2d8 + 16 = (avg) 95, max of 152Alternately, a bow build with Sharpshooter (variant Human) would get one less attack but do +10 on each attack.&nbsp; That would be:3 attacks doing 1d6 + 1d6 Hunter's Mark, plus 1d8 for Dread Ambusher, plus 2d6 Sneak Attack, all doubled, plus 3 * 10 for Sharpshooter, plus 3 * 4 for ability bonus = 16d6 + 2d8 + 30 + 12 = 107 (avg).&nbsp; However, the -5 penalty with Sharpshooter means more misses.Either way that seems like a pretty sick opening round from a level 8 character, without any magic items or buffs.&nbsp; Thoughts?EDIT: Not really relevant, but if I actually did this I think my next six levels would Shadow Monk.&nbsp; Super fun to BAMF! in and wreak havoc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7480643"] (My apologies if this has been well discussed before. Somebody asked for help with this build, but the math wasn't discussed.) Gloom Stalker: 5 Assassin: 3 Using Hunter's Mark Does this (potentially) do as much first-round damage as I think? Let's talk the best case, that your opponent is surprised: Melee: Two weapon fighting 2 Attacks (Ranger 5), plus offhand. One more attack, that does an extra +1d8, from Dread Ambush (If I were doing this I'd probably go variant Human and take Alert feat, for a total Initiative bonus of +11) Let's say we're using shortswords because I hate rapiers So that's 4 attacks doing 2d6 each (weapon plus Hunter's Mark), + 1d8 + 2d6 Sneak attack, all doubled, plus 4xAbility, which would be +4 at this point. So 20d6 + 2d8 + 16 = (avg) 95, max of 152 Alternately, a bow build with Sharpshooter (variant Human) would get one less attack but do +10 on each attack. That would be: 3 attacks doing 1d6 + 1d6 Hunter's Mark, plus 1d8 for Dread Ambusher, plus 2d6 Sneak Attack, all doubled, plus 3 * 10 for Sharpshooter, plus 3 * 4 for ability bonus = 16d6 + 2d8 + 30 + 12 = 107 (avg). However, the -5 penalty with Sharpshooter means more misses. Either way that seems like a pretty sick opening round from a level 8 character, without any magic items or buffs. Thoughts? EDIT: Not really relevant, but if I actually did this I think my next six levels would Shadow Monk. Super fun to BAMF! in and wreak havoc. [/QUOTE]

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