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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9623547" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Then I still don't understand how this produces I am solving a mystery myself. I fully agree that it can produce I am portraying a character who solves mysteries.But I just don't see how the things you've described do not result in, as an actual matter of fact to the players at the table, someone at some point made a decision which fixed who the "whodunnit" points at. Whether they knew they were doing so or not is irrelevant to me. Someone, at some point, created a truth that was not true before. I don't see how that truth-creation can be compatible with me as a player solving a mystery. It's fundamentally declarative. Someone declared what the solution would be. There is a difference between declaring (even if you do not realize it) a solution, and finding out a solution. The former is incompatible with solving. The latter is precisely what "solving a mystery" is.What enables us to make the jump from "we have declared facts, and those facts made a particular result be true, thus removing the mystery" to "there simply are facts, and we discovered what those facts were, thus solving the mystery"?Because that's where I'm sticking here. Whether or not you have rules and procedures that limit your input, whether or not you have multiple people splitting duties so no one person is unequivocally responsible, whether or not there is a well-constructed procedure for how declarations are allowed to be made, you're talking about people, collectively or individually, declaring what the solution is--and, thus, what it "always" was. Even though it wasn't anything at all until the solution was declared.</blockquote>

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