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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 9624358">Like I said, I could be missing something. But if you are using external procedures 1) are the players actually able to put two and two together and figure out something that is an objective fact they didn’t know before 2) you might be doing it in stops and starts or at various points (I.e. perhaps you are establishing true things for the players to figure out but they are stacking as time goes on to build a big picture truth. If 2, I think some solving might be going on but it is still different from a start to finish mystery to solve. And to be clear, Inmight be misunderstanding the procedures you have in mind so feel free to clarify. But an example that comes to mind is the old tarokka deck for Ravenloft. You could use it in monster hunts. But to create the sense that it was really predicting things and revealing truths, details like where the monsters lair is located might not be pinned down until the tarokka deck reveals it during a fortune telling reading. That information wasn’t objective until the moment the deck was used. So in theory you might have enough information pinned down behind the scenes after the reading for the players to solve something, but in the hour of session before the tarokka there wouldn’t have been any really way to solve that puzzle using things like clues and information acquired</blockquote>