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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9625526" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I don't understand your question.</p><p></p><p>Upthread, [USER=6790260]@EzekielRaiden[/USER] made these posts:</p><p>And I am asking: what is the tension?</p><p></p><p>I've set out the three ways, in AW/DW, that a player's statement about what their PC does can unfold. Where is the tension?</p><p></p><p>Upthread, you suggested as an example that the GM's prep is <em>Person B will never reveal the truth about Q</em>.</p><p></p><p>So, as [USER=16586]@Campbell[/USER] posted not far upthread, that doesn't seem typical for AW/DW prep. I don't think it's really flagged in the AW rulebook as part of prepping a front/threat.</p><p></p><p>But let's suppose that the GM does it anyway: how is it going to play out?</p><p></p><p>Let's suppose that a PC meets B, and asks B about Q. This is not a player-side move, so the GM responds with a soft move. Given that the GM always says what their prep demands, they will not have B reveal the truth about Q.</p><p></p><p>Let's suppose that the GM's soft move doesn't physically separate the PC from B, nor otherwise make it impossible for the PC to keep pressing B. So the PC asks again. And the GM responds again with a move. If the player is, at this point, handing the GM an opportunity on a plate (because ignoring the set up from the previous soft move), the GM can make as hard and direct a move as they like. Maybe, as the PC looks expectantly at B hoping for an answer, B falls to the ground. A hidden assassin has shot B! And the PC is the next available target! (Of course, this assumes that the threat of assassination has already been brought into play, so that this is a follow through on that prior move.)</p><p></p><p>Now consider the alternative. Suppose that as the PC starts talking to B, the player says that they are <em>reading a person</em>. So the dice are rolled and the move resolved: let's say the player gets one question, and so asks "How could I get B to tell me the truth about Q?" As the rules not (p 201), “Dude, sorry, no way” is a legit answer to “how could I get your character to __?” And so the GM tells the player, "You can tell there's no way that B will ever tell you the truth about Q."</p><p></p><p>And then the player says, "I pull out my gun and put it to B's head. "Tell me about Q!", I shout." This is <em>going aggro</em>. And suppose the roll is a 10+. So the GM has to decide, does B tell the PC about Q or do they suck up the PC's bullet? If their prep demands the latter, then that's what happens.</p><p></p><p>So, as I've posted, I don't know what this tension is supposed to be.</p><p></p><p>Now if, when you ([USER=7025508]@Crimson Longinus[/USER]) say that you're not talking about moves, you mean you're talking about some RPG other than AW or DW, OK, which RPG are you talking about? Because my post was in reply to comments about DW.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9625526, member: 42582"] I don't understand your question. Upthread, [USER=6790260]@EzekielRaiden[/USER] made these posts: And I am asking: what is the tension? I've set out the three ways, in AW/DW, that a player's statement about what their PC does can unfold. Where is the tension? Upthread, you suggested as an example that the GM's prep is [I]Person B will never reveal the truth about Q[/I]. So, as [USER=16586]@Campbell[/USER] posted not far upthread, that doesn't seem typical for AW/DW prep. I don't think it's really flagged in the AW rulebook as part of prepping a front/threat. But let's suppose that the GM does it anyway: how is it going to play out? Let's suppose that a PC meets B, and asks B about Q. This is not a player-side move, so the GM responds with a soft move. Given that the GM always says what their prep demands, they will not have B reveal the truth about Q. Let's suppose that the GM's soft move doesn't physically separate the PC from B, nor otherwise make it impossible for the PC to keep pressing B. So the PC asks again. And the GM responds again with a move. If the player is, at this point, handing the GM an opportunity on a plate (because ignoring the set up from the previous soft move), the GM can make as hard and direct a move as they like. Maybe, as the PC looks expectantly at B hoping for an answer, B falls to the ground. A hidden assassin has shot B! And the PC is the next available target! (Of course, this assumes that the threat of assassination has already been brought into play, so that this is a follow through on that prior move.) Now consider the alternative. Suppose that as the PC starts talking to B, the player says that they are [I]reading a person[/I]. So the dice are rolled and the move resolved: let's say the player gets one question, and so asks "How could I get B to tell me the truth about Q?" As the rules not (p 201), “Dude, sorry, no way” is a legit answer to “how could I get your character to __?” And so the GM tells the player, "You can tell there's no way that B will ever tell you the truth about Q." And then the player says, "I pull out my gun and put it to B's head. "Tell me about Q!", I shout." This is [I]going aggro[/I]. And suppose the roll is a 10+. So the GM has to decide, does B tell the PC about Q or do they suck up the PC's bullet? If their prep demands the latter, then that's what happens. So, as I've posted, I don't know what this tension is supposed to be. Now if, when you ([USER=7025508]@Crimson Longinus[/USER]) say that you're not talking about moves, you mean you're talking about some RPG other than AW or DW, OK, which RPG are you talking about? Because my post was in reply to comments about DW. [/QUOTE]
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