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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9627823" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>That's an irrelevant distinction. The clues are there to be put together. That the DM puts the clues together in the real fictional mystery doesn't negate that the process is the same in both cases. </p><p></p><p>In the real non-fictional mystery, some of the clues will be placed by say the killer, and others by the environment, but they will be there to be <u>discovered</u>, put together, and then solved. They will never be generated as the investigator goes along and then the answer generated at the end. The clues and the answer are there prior to the investigator finding them.</p><p></p><p>In the real fictional mystery created by the DM, the clues are there to be discovered, put together, and then solved. They will never be generated as they go along and then the answer generated at the end. The clues and answer are there prior to the party of investigators finding them.</p><p></p><p>I say "real fictional mystery," because that fictional mystery has been pre-generated here in the real world and is written down on real paper, typed into a computer, etc., so it exists in reality, even if it is still fiction.</p><p></p><p>When you generate the clues as you go along and then create the answer, there is no level of reality to the mystery there.</p><p></p><p>Some are for sure. And even if the clues aren't placed deliberately, they still end up there due to a driving force. The killer was the driving force behind the clues to solving the murder. The thieves were the driving force behind the clues to solving the art theft. The killer and art thieves didn't accidentally commit those acts.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/bitcoin-millionaire-2m-treasure-hunt-clues[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Where those treasures are is a mystery.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9627823, member: 23751"] That's an irrelevant distinction. The clues are there to be put together. That the DM puts the clues together in the real fictional mystery doesn't negate that the process is the same in both cases. In the real non-fictional mystery, some of the clues will be placed by say the killer, and others by the environment, but they will be there to be [U]discovered[/U], put together, and then solved. They will never be generated as the investigator goes along and then the answer generated at the end. The clues and the answer are there prior to the investigator finding them. In the real fictional mystery created by the DM, the clues are there to be discovered, put together, and then solved. They will never be generated as they go along and then the answer generated at the end. The clues and answer are there prior to the party of investigators finding them. I say "real fictional mystery," because that fictional mystery has been pre-generated here in the real world and is written down on real paper, typed into a computer, etc., so it exists in reality, even if it is still fiction. When you generate the clues as you go along and then create the answer, there is no level of reality to the mystery there. Some are for sure. And even if the clues aren't placed deliberately, they still end up there due to a driving force. The killer was the driving force behind the clues to solving the murder. The thieves were the driving force behind the clues to solving the art theft. The killer and art thieves didn't accidentally commit those acts. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/bitcoin-millionaire-2m-treasure-hunt-clues[/URL] Where those treasures are is a mystery. [/QUOTE]
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