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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9627902" data-attributes="member: 23751">Irrelevant.  That answer was there before they ever set out to find it. Unknown to them =/= them generating an answer that never existed before, at the moment when they find it.I've already shown someone who crafted a mystery in the real world.Mysteries are no more puzzles because they are fiction than real world mysteries are.  If one is merely a puzzle, then both are.  If one is a mystery, both are.  Both use the same methods of discovering pre-determined clues in order to find the pre-determined answer.The reality, though, is that both are both.  Both fictional and real life mysteries are mysteries AND puzzles.No it's not.  One is absolutely closer to a real life mystery than the other.  And that one is the one that has pre-determined clues and a pre-determined answer.Maybe.  Maybe not.  That's not relevant, either.  The answer was pre-established by the personalities and beliefs of the posters. No.  You stop it.  Stop trying to tell me what to do. Just because my answers are tearing apart your argument, doesn't make it okay for you to tell me to "stop it."</blockquote>