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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9628525" data-attributes="member: 42582">As I just posted, this is obviously wrong.In the puzzle game (and as [USER=6785785]@hawkeyefan[/USER] has already posted) the GM has deliberately created clues that (in the GM's estimation) permit the players' to infer the GM's pre-authored backstory. The players know that the GM has prepared these clues and is presenting them as part of narration.In an actual mystery, there may or may not be clues. These may or may not lead to the correct conclusion. The investigator can't know that any given thing they encounter is relevant at all.You seem to be presenting your question as a rhetorical one. But I already posted an example upthread, which you seem to have ignored:As for how reasoning can take place, it's quite easy:For instance, a missing person (as established by the player at the introduction of their PC) might make me, the GM, imagine that person has turned into a were-beast. I then introduce elements in to the fiction that point towards this - eg reference to Central Europe and wild animals, including hyenas (which in some ways resemble wolves, particularly for lycanthropic purposes) - and then the players think of lycanthropes too (because they can follow the clues).The players can also miss clues. For instance, having lycanthropes in mind, I (as GM) introduce silver as a plot element. But the players in my game didn't pick up on this pointer towards lycnathropic concerns. According to some theories in the philosophy of mathematics (eg Wittgenstein, who is the most famous radical constructivist), mathematical truths are established in virtue of humans undertaking the task of proving them.According to some interpretations of quantum uncertainy, it is the process of measurement that causes the collapse of the wave function and hence produces the answer that is measured.In an authored murder mystery, the answer is written knowing that readers will be looking for it. As [USER=6785785]@hawkeyefan[/USER] has posted, it is intended to be the object of an attempt at solution, and a revelation - at the end - of whodunnit. The existence and nature of the answer, and its relationship to the attempt at a solution, is entirely contrived.</blockquote>

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