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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 9628833" data-attributes="member: 6684958">As was said above: Everything is personal for the players in these games.When a DM does anything, it is a direct personal attack on the player(s).  The player will complain that it is not right they have to find THE DMs clues, for example.  They will complain that the DM "is just a player", so it is not fair they get to make up stuff and hide it from the others playing the game.  This is wrong.  In your game the DM who is stuck with the limited idea that they are just doing silly stuff in a game thinks this way.Plenty of other DMs will make real mysteries to challenge the players, again: for real.  Such mysteries are not made to be solved.  If a player or players can, that is great: but they are not made to be a Red Carpet Cakewalk Easy Button game action for the players.Well, what your saying is super vague.  Sure the game is "all about fun", but what is fun is different for different people.Some people have fun in a game where the player just sits there and uses a characters special ability to "have a clever idea".  Then the DM tells the player the clever idea their character thought of and the player sits there amazed their character is so much smarter, clever and better then they are...Some people have fun in 'sandyboxes' just doing random game actions until they decide to stop playing.Some people like deep, real role-playing (the acting kind).And on and on...This sounds right up there with the "fictional fun" you have in your games as you can't have "real" fun as it is a game......I do! I did!As was said above: Everything is personal for the players in these games.When a DM does anything, it is a direct personal attack on the player(s).  The player will complain that it is not right they have to find THE DMs clues, for example.  They will complain that the DM "is just a player", so it is not fair they get to make up stuff and hide it from the others playing the game.Well, someone in bad faith would say to "solve" a mystery you must be a beat cop detective physically doing things and use lots of fancy 'science'.Though a cop to sit down and read a cold case file...and just sit there...and solve a mystery.  I'm sure the person in question would say they "solved a real mystery".  Well, that is nearly exactly what players will do to solve a real role playing mystery.But sure the 'real' cop does not suffer from the paranoid delusion that "some guy" is in control of the world and is personally out to get them....</blockquote>

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