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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9629661" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I would appreciate that, yes, because I don't see how that premise doesn't apply to literally every possible interaction in a TTRPG.No matter what you do, someone had to present someone with something. Otherwise we're just sitting there doing nothing, talking about nothing. The silent regard of slow things.Because in real life, when we find this out, it is because our previous understanding was actually incorrect all along. It is not, and cannot be, the case that anyone, regardless of role, could make one interpretation true and the other false.It is the case, with a fictional space, that someone (I literally don't care if it's player or GM or a random bystander or ANYONE) couldAnd yes, I am in fact familiar with the philosophical discussions on this--to an extent. I didn't take any actual graduate-level courses on philosophy so I didn't get far enough, I don't think, to get to that specific reading material you mentioned. But the core of my point was that we can (and some philosophers do!) talk about things like "Pegasus has feathers" as a meaningful statement about something, something with value and merit, even though Pegasus does not in fact exist.So, fine, sure. I used "exists" etc. when I should not have. That was an error, I concede. How, then, do we deal with the "Pegasus has feathers" problem? Because that to me seems still unresolved here, but that was the whole point of bringing it up. There's something to this. If you don't like red, how about "three"? There's a huge philosophical debate--I'm quite well aware of this one--about whether "three" exists or not. Is it just a name we invented? (Then why does it achieve results?) Is it somehow an existing abstract object? (What the hell would that even mean?) Is it a complete fiction, such that all mathematical statements are simply false? (Then why is it so intimately related with logic, and why does it achieve results?)Are you among those who would deny that mathematical statements can be true? If so I don't think there's a whole lot more we're going to be able to talk about; that would mean we disagree on something so philosophically fundamental we don't really have much common ground for a discussion on this topic.</blockquote>

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