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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9629689" data-attributes="member: 6790260">It is jointly imagined. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However, I reject that all possible jointly-imagined things are compatible with a player doing a mystery-solve.Some jointly-imagined things are. Others are not. I read your Cthulhu Dark rules. One of the explicit rules in it was that any player can assert that another player's roll fails if it would be more interesting to do so. If they do assert so, and it is not disagreeable to the rest of the group, this happens.That is a level of control over the fictional space incompatible with mystery-solving as I understand it.Furthermore, as has been the case with nearly all of your responses, you keep defaulting to 100% pure GM-authorship of the mystery. I don't require that. I've explicitly said as much numerous times. You can have a genuine mystery where even the GM does not know what the answer is, only so long as SOMETHING is the answer that cannot be changed by anyone's hand--not even the GM's.Yes, this means I want to solve logic puzzles. I consider that the quintessential activity of attempting to solve a mystery story before you hear the reveal. I consider that personal, in-my-own-head logic-puzzle-solving task both extremely satisfying when I can pull it off (which, sadly, is far rarer than I like!), and I consider that activity, puzzling through a tricky situation, to be precisely analogous to what a real-world investigator (or scientist, or mathematician, or various other things) is doing when they are attempting to learn/prove something new about our real actual world. Hence, it is one of the exceedingly rare cases where the thing done in the head of Ezekiel, the human being sitting before his monitor at ungodly hours due to insomnia, precisely matches the thing done in the head of Lord Finley Strange, the sleuthing son of the Right Honorable the Baron Strange (mostly being dragged around by his utterly irrepressible best friend, Lady Eliza York, only child of the suo jure Duchess of York.)</blockquote>

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