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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9641860" data-attributes="member: 6795602">No. I’m arguing that it depends on what ‘law enforcement’ is capable of in the preestablished setting (or others searching n for the PCs).  Some settings the law enforcement might behave goodly even when searching for someone. Others they will behave more badly. In my experience if a group is after the PCs it isn’t because the group is overwhelmingly good. It’s usually because they want to kill them.  Again there can be differences in settings, but if the players at all know about who is after them to hide they should also be able to extrapolate similarly. I don’t think something has to be contradicted or incoherent to be bad (of limited use). Limiting conditions don’t imply incoherence or contradiction IMO. I agree with (ii), except the part of it that says ‘not as I’m suggesting’. I’d add that It’s your position that seems to call the ability incoherent because anytime the GM invokes the restrictions you agree to here, you pushback and say he shouldn’t. To me that’s the true incoherence here. Or heck, maybe you agree the dm can invoke those limitations based of setting extrapolation and just don’t agree that the typical setting and circumstances where the PCs are being searched for will normally extrapolate to there. But if this is the case, you are doing an extremely poor job of arguing for that position.</blockquote>