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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5183900" data-attributes="member: 22779">This is why these conversations go downhill so quickly.Are you honestly going to claim that this is a likely outcome?&nbsp; Not only is this a likely event, but, likely to succeed?&nbsp; I mean, your party would have to first successfully bluff her, manage to convince her of their intentions, THEN the DM would have to contrive to send them on this specific mission WHILE she accompanies them, on horseback and THEN they have to decide to attack her at that specific point in time.This is why we need her ride skill?&nbsp; :/I know it's impossible for some to claim that there are any points of comparison between 4e and anything else, but, come on.&nbsp; It's not the end of the world to admit that 3e creatures are over statted.&nbsp; Even during 3e, the designers, including Paizo designers I might add, admitted that 3e monsters were over statted and that was the reason there were so many stat block mistakes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5183900, member: 22779"] This is why these conversations go downhill so quickly. Are you honestly going to claim that this is a likely outcome? Not only is this a likely event, but, likely to succeed? I mean, your party would have to first successfully bluff her, manage to convince her of their intentions, THEN the DM would have to contrive to send them on this specific mission WHILE she accompanies them, on horseback and THEN they have to decide to attack her at that specific point in time. This is why we need her ride skill? :/ I know it's impossible for some to claim that there are any points of comparison between 4e and anything else, but, come on. It's not the end of the world to admit that 3e creatures are over statted. Even during 3e, the designers, including Paizo designers I might add, admitted that 3e monsters were over statted and that was the reason there were so many stat block mistakes. [/QUOTE]

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