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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5189958" data-attributes="member: 87792">Huh?  By my estimates a 9th level party is definitely up into Paragon tier.  Even Epic tier doesn't have anything like Wish, Shapechange, Gate, Mordaniken's Disjunction, Implosion, or Storm of Vengenace (although the latter might work) - meaning it caps out before level 17 (spellcaster equivalent).  9th is almost half way between 3rd (roughly equivalent to Level 1) and 16th (roughly equivalent to Level 30).  Putting it firmly in the middle.And yes, I did use multiple monsters in 3e.  (Although not as many; minions are easy to run and the explicit assumptions were different, and I trust the CR system about as far as I can throw it - any system like that breaks near the edges).Tell me when they get (a) Marks and (b) Forced Movement powers.Of course.  (At least if you don't want to model your game on Feng Shui - not that there's anything actually wrong with that).  But once there is a combat encounter there, not making it tactically as well as narratively interesting is simply poor craftsmanship. Again, I say 4e has tools like marks, forced movement, and an assumption of and balance for multiple foes.  Now you can argue that at a strategic level 3e wins - but tactically it's hard.An encounter that's simply taken down by one spell (Sleep) is not interesting.  And what makes things interesting at a tactical level is different between modules.  For instance interactive scenery and pushing people down their own pit traps is huge in 4e.System matters as much as level.And to nod to those differences within the combat if you're running different systems with different approaches to combat.Have fun <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  (My next session is tomorrow).Using them that way is one of the big reasons 4e modules clunk.That's assuming you consider the rolling dice to be the highlight of your social resolution mechanic.  I don't.  I see it merely as a way of keeping score and providing hooks.No.  I need information for things I want to be varied and interesting.  Stats are simply one form of information.  What I need in 4e for social interaction are motivations, habits, nervous tics, level of influence on the world, principles, religion.  All the stuff you normally can't find in stat blocks.  Rolling the dice is just a means of keeping score - and the difference between DC17 and DC20 is fundamentally not very interesting.It's ironic I'm getting this response when in a thread a couple of weeks ago (on RPG.net) I was told that if I rolled dice for social interaction I couldn't be roleplaying.Combat is something I want tight mechanics for.  That's because every last second matters, it's life or death, and a quarter of an inch can make all the difference.  Social can kill you just as dead but it either takes longer or requires more monumental mistakes.Can the dungeons.  Explore the world!World building helps, certainly.And none of that is on the difference between +5 and +7.I don't need stats to make most of them varied and interesting.  I need fluff - then to match the resolution to the fluff.  I don't need my social interactions to snap in the way combat does.  (Yes, the dialogue might snap to good effect - but that's not on the dice rolls).</blockquote>

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