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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 9749162" data-attributes="member: 6684958">I can't really speak to what you have or have not seen.I have no idea how you &quot;read&quot; that.I do count things such as Paying Attention something players must do in my game.&nbsp; I don't put up with the players that endlessly good around and play on their phone.&nbsp; A lot of DMs do, you can see tons of games where the player do so for the whole game.&nbsp; The same way I don't put up with players that don't know the rules.&nbsp; And again there are plenty of other games where such a person would be told &quot;just roll the d20, we will take care of what happens.&quot;And cruel is subjective.&nbsp; The vast majority of RPGs, even more so a lot of 5E games, play it safe to say the least.&nbsp; Things like no character death or very much of any hardships the players don't like.&nbsp; In my game as an Old School type game, things like character death are common.&nbsp; Even such things like a PC falling in a deep river, being unable to swim and drowning.&nbsp; This type of thing is rare or more likely unheard of in many other games.Those are some high numbers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 9749162, member: 6684958"] I can't really speak to what you have or have not seen. I have no idea how you "read" that. I do count things such as Paying Attention something players must do in my game. I don't put up with the players that endlessly good around and play on their phone. A lot of DMs do, you can see tons of games where the player do so for the whole game. The same way I don't put up with players that don't know the rules. And again there are plenty of other games where such a person would be told "just roll the d20, we will take care of what happens." And cruel is subjective. The vast majority of RPGs, even more so a lot of 5E games, play it safe to say the least. Things like no character death or very much of any hardships the players don't like. In my game as an Old School type game, things like character death are common. Even such things like a PC falling in a deep river, being unable to swim and drowning. This type of thing is rare or more likely unheard of in many other games. Those are some high numbers. [/QUOTE]

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