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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6012454" data-attributes="member: 4937">A man has got to know his limitations.&nbsp; If you create the all rogue party, then yeah, you may need to give up on:1) Headlong frontal assualts on anything.2) Getting into slugfests with anything.3) Spending most of your time battleing angry spirits.If you can't kill it by round two, you need to be buggering out.&nbsp; If it sees you before you see it, you did something wrong and you need to be turnning tail.&nbsp; If it is uncanny and you can't kill it by sticking a dagger in its back or cutting its throat while its sleeping, it probably isn't the mission for you.&nbsp; It sounds like the party set unrealistic goals for itself, and then having created a creative party, set about trying to use uncreative solutions.&nbsp; If you had previously established the world, then I don't see this as being your fault, and if the characters were all brand new, I don't see the loss of characters that the players hadn't really invested in as being all that terrible.&nbsp; Sometimes players need learning experiences.And honestly, spectres?&nbsp; Spectres are one of the classic test monsters.&nbsp; If you are even fighting spectres, you are doing something wrong.&nbsp; There is never any upside to fighting spectres.&nbsp; You find one, you always avoid it regardless of class or party composition.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6012454, member: 4937"] A man has got to know his limitations. If you create the all rogue party, then yeah, you may need to give up on: 1) Headlong frontal assualts on anything. 2) Getting into slugfests with anything. 3) Spending most of your time battleing angry spirits. If you can't kill it by round two, you need to be buggering out. If it sees you before you see it, you did something wrong and you need to be turnning tail. If it is uncanny and you can't kill it by sticking a dagger in its back or cutting its throat while its sleeping, it probably isn't the mission for you. It sounds like the party set unrealistic goals for itself, and then having created a creative party, set about trying to use uncreative solutions. If you had previously established the world, then I don't see this as being your fault, and if the characters were all brand new, I don't see the loss of characters that the players hadn't really invested in as being all that terrible. Sometimes players need learning experiences. And honestly, spectres? Spectres are one of the classic test monsters. If you are even fighting spectres, you are doing something wrong. There is never any upside to fighting spectres. You find one, you always avoid it regardless of class or party composition. [/QUOTE]

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