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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ryujin" data-source="post: 6244323" data-attributes="member: 27897">Unfortunately too many people seem to still try and 'win' role playing games, so min/maxing is alive and well. Whatever my character, I have a back story to justify the build. Most of the other players in my group just seem to think about their characters as a collection of things that kill stuff up real good. I've never played a Gnome, but only because I haven't yet thought up a good back story.As to the Orcs thing, I think that the folks over at Zombie Orpheus Entertainment are doing a good job of changing the paradigm too. One of the major characters, and love interest of the bard girl who is chronicling the heroes' story, in JourneyQuest, is an intelligent and driven Orc sergeant who is contrasted against an idiotic knight who thinks, if the word think can be applied, in very narrow terms. I'm thinking of the, "Die evil races!" scene here. Matt Vancil has also written an English to Orcish dictionary. Mine is on the way <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>