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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6322927" data-attributes="member: 18">No, the issue is that they have no character. They don't have a "Forest Trickster" character, but they randomly have illusion spells. Sometimes people assert, without building them up, that they are, but it doesn't match with the culture they have described (such as it is) or anything else about them.Tolkien-style Elves are not D&D's Elves, so I must disagree with your "by extension", nor the Elves of most RPGs, though. Tolkien's Elves are tall, immortal, superhuman beings. Superior beings. D&D's Elves are largely forest-dwelling, short, light, lithe, agile, and whilst they're long-lived, it's often implied that they're not immortal. They're not "superior beings" in the same way at all. Thinking about it, though, even Tolkien's Wood Elves are kind of deceptive/illusion-y. Remember all the stuff with the Wood Elf party? I think it was in the Hobbit but I may be misremembering and it was in LotR, but there was definitely stuff going on there that was classic illusion/deception/trickster elf. By trickster I mean more Loki than some grovelling con-artist, to be clear. Convincing some petty mortal to dance for you is trickster, y'know.Many D&D Elf cultures contain a significant "trickster" element, too, from all over. Taladas has a particularly well-rendered "Forest Trickster" Elf type with the Huldrefolk, who are frankly, more Elf-y than most Elves.Further, Elves in mythology, even the big, pretty ones, are very often tricksters/deceivers. They're constantly lying to people, abducting people, causing time to pass at funny rates and so on.</blockquote>

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