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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8659237" data-attributes="member: 20564">To echo [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] and [USER=71235]@niklinna[/USER] , it's a big mental change for players used to traditional games like D&D to even think in this manner.  I know using some of these techniques in a 5e game I ran afoul of a player who was "follow the adventure the DM puts in front of us".  And genuinely was attempting to be helpful - when he DMs he usually does from modules (vs. my homebrew) and players going far off-track with those can be a real issue.  But it's hard to do even a more tranditional snadbox, much less more player-directed toward their goals, with that focus.The flip side is during session 0 of a current 5e game I'm running I had let them know this and not sure how much of a mental change it had made.  But I had a player from that 13th Age game, and the first request was "hey, I want to play a druid but have something concrete to connect to.  Can the world be the body of a dead god and the moon her skull?"  None of this impacted any of my (lightly planned, broad strokes only) plans so I was like "sure".  That shocked the other players out of their complacence.  Suddenly it came up that the Dwarves were genocided, that halflings and drow were created races for by the Imperium, elves live on reservations (but have actual control over them) and lots of other changes to the world.  It made the characters richer, but also has drastically affected the direction the campaign has grown.But even with that start it was a continual push to get them to continue to think they had the authority just to say "I think we should go do this" if it wasn't something I as DM had fed them.  Made harder I think in that there's another 5e game with a good amount of overlap with one of the my players as DM who is running a module and it's often "oh, and here's your adventure of the episode".</blockquote>

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