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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7060175" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>It's been a while since I've seen Man of Steel, but I remember it differently than you do. I don't remember Zod being rendered helpless for example--I remember him being at a temporary disadvantage, and Clark had no way to neutralize him except killing him, which he did, and which apparently caused him a great deal of psychic trauma (maybe because he's killing one of the few remaining members of his own species). In the movie I remember seeing, I'd say that fight gives no particular information on Superman's morality, but other things Superman does, such as spending his time helping other people, indicate he is relatively good-ishly inclined. I don't remember how strongly he leans in that direction.</p><p></p><p>In the movie you apparently saw, where he gratuitously executes helpless enemies, it might be a neutral or evil act, depending on his reasons for the gratuitous execution.</p><p></p><p>I don't remember Zod dying in the Christopher Reeves version, but it has been quite a long time since I watched it. In the Christopher Reeves version, Zod really <em>is</em> rendered permanently helpless and depowered--killing Zod under those conditions is even more gratuitous, and doing so with relish would definitely be evil. Repeated displays of that character would, in D&D, definitely result in becoming evil-aligned.</p><p></p><p>BTW, the Superman we see in Superman III is clearly evil, despite doing nothing worse (IIRC) than petty vandalism, beating up some drunks and seducing the bad guy's moll. You don't have to be an omnicidal maniac to be evil-aligned. You just have to let malice, envy, lust, etc. have free rein over your soul and deny mercy, compassion, wisdom, justice, and restraint, often enough that the DM says "Okay, your alignment has changed."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 7060175, member: 6787650"] It's been a while since I've seen Man of Steel, but I remember it differently than you do. I don't remember Zod being rendered helpless for example--I remember him being at a temporary disadvantage, and Clark had no way to neutralize him except killing him, which he did, and which apparently caused him a great deal of psychic trauma (maybe because he's killing one of the few remaining members of his own species). In the movie I remember seeing, I'd say that fight gives no particular information on Superman's morality, but other things Superman does, such as spending his time helping other people, indicate he is relatively good-ishly inclined. I don't remember how strongly he leans in that direction. In the movie you apparently saw, where he gratuitously executes helpless enemies, it might be a neutral or evil act, depending on his reasons for the gratuitous execution. I don't remember Zod dying in the Christopher Reeves version, but it has been quite a long time since I watched it. In the Christopher Reeves version, Zod really [I]is[/I] rendered permanently helpless and depowered--killing Zod under those conditions is even more gratuitous, and doing so with relish would definitely be evil. Repeated displays of that character would, in D&D, definitely result in becoming evil-aligned. BTW, the Superman we see in Superman III is clearly evil, despite doing nothing worse (IIRC) than petty vandalism, beating up some drunks and seducing the bad guy's moll. You don't have to be an omnicidal maniac to be evil-aligned. You just have to let malice, envy, lust, etc. have free rein over your soul and deny mercy, compassion, wisdom, justice, and restraint, often enough that the DM says "Okay, your alignment has changed." [/QUOTE]
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